we can't know precisely how the obama administration proposes to raise the top corporate rate to on 28%. we don't know how mitt romney proposes to lower the corporate rate to 20%, 25%, i forget which one, because they haven't identified the loopholes. >> but that's linchpin of the whole campaign is around taxes, is around lowering taxes and is around -- >> actually, it's not. actually, it's not because if you remember, andrew, in his convention speech, he didn't especially mention his individual tax cut. and he went out on the road last week and said by the way, i'm going to cut tax rates, but don't expect a big tax cut because i'm going to take away deductions. so romney in fact and i've talked to romney's strategists about this, they know that voters don't actually believe that you're going to have a big net tax cut for anybody. it's not credible. >> the linchpin of the entire plan is to raise taxes on people 250 or above, which does nothing for the definite sit, does nothing with entitlements. not only are you not talking details, all you have is raising tax on people that have money